It must require an Ivy League degree in relevant truth to buy into the ACLU’s separation clause arguments.  The relevant portion of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” 
 
Pretty straightforward.

This shrewdly crafted sentence should keep government in its place while citizens work out their own salvation.  In order to unclarify this succinct instruction, the ACLU has pulled a bait-and-switch maneuver that tricks ‘em every time.

In 1789, the wording of the First Amendment was proposed in Congress by Representative Fisher Ames, debated at great length, voted on by both houses, and ratified by three-fourths of the states.

In 1947, Justice Hugo Black embraced a newly proposed interpretation of the First Amendment, citing a phrase from a letter written by a President of the United States.

Last Tuesday, June 21, 2011, the ACLU filed its latest lawsuit against an American school district for violating their “separation between church and state” mantra.  The specific offense is allowing parents to spend vouchers for their children at schools that have a religious foundation.

The Supreme Court was created by the nation’s founders to interpret components of the Constitution in light of their original meaning.  Purportedly, that was the action taken in 1947 with Everson v. Board of Education when the separation clause mandated that children attending religious-based schools could not ride a publicly funded school bus. 
 
No, I am not kidding. 
 
The decision has been the basis for challenges against prayer, nativity scenes, mentioning God in the Pledge of Allegiance, and every other recognition of the Creator where the ACLU can gleefully find an application.

The famous words, “wall of separation between church and state” came from a letter of assurance from President Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Church.  That same letter from Jefferson also includes the sentiments, “I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man.” 
 
And yet, there is no insistence by the courts nor the ACLU that public schools recognize the Father and Creator of man.
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charles2089 Wrote: Jun 30, 2011 7:55 AM
the aclu must have a lot of fans to be around so long.I'm sure many people agree with their agenda.But who are they.How can they call themselves American.They seem to be against every thing I am for.Do they get money from congress?I'd like to see a list of their donors or is that secret?I think aclu is damaging my country They must be stopped.And I don't care how.
Blair31 Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 4:58 PM
The ACLU was formed to secularize America. They declared war on God in 1920. The one good thing did was hire Clarence Darrow, the famous Chicago defense lawyer, to defend John Scopes in
1925. Remember the play, movie, and television movie versions of Inherit The Wind? That was based on the Scopes Monkey Trial. Who opposed Clarence Darrow? Who was the persecutor, (er, prosecutor,) of John Scopes? Three-time failed Democratic presidential candidate, William Jennings Bryan.
teddy4 Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 3:40 PM

Came to this country in 1960 and never thought I would see it happen here. Political correctness has done in a more efficient way, what a military repressive regime in my native Cuba took over fifty years to accomplish. Self-censorship, the ultimate and most efficient form of repression- from the inside. Afraid to say or do something for fear of what others might think or say about you. But how can the country solve any problem if we're unable to identify it first? The two biggest threats our country is facing now is Communism and radical Islam, both clearly represented by Barack Obama and his radical administration in Washington. but Americans are afraid to talk about those two issues. But look, the man is doing everything to destroy...
James R.6 Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 7:46 AM
The ACLU will attack anybody, or anything, that isn't atheist or communist !!!!!! I do not believe our constitution protects the traitorous and treasonable acts that this useless and sickening group commit daily.
sylvia J Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 6:37 AM
Then our LAW MAKERS should make the ACLU shut up for the 1st amendment says NO PERSON OR GOVERNMENT shall infringe. or MAKE laws to go against it. The ACLU does both, so do the ATHIEST, SOCIALISTS, PROGRESSIVES and ALL hte OTHER nit-wits that don't like RELIGEON, GOD or anything assoiated with EITHER ONE of them. IF THEY DON'T LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION ,THEN LEAVE OUR COUNTRY or accept OUR LAWS & RELIGEON NO MATTER WHICH ONE. You cannot have it both ways YOU enjoy our PROSPERITY FREEDOMS and OUR LIBERTYS so GORW UP GET OVER IT.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Louie13 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 11:12 PM
Mark, it was not a accidental mistranslation of the Constitution, it was all done according to plan. The Marxists in on the courts deliberately sought to impose their agenda by force through the Federal courts, by legislating from the bench.

You see, about the beginning of the twentieth century, the Marxists infiltrated all three branches of our American Federal Government, the Democratic Party leadership, Hollywood, University staffs, our Major News Media, and so on, and proceeded to corrupt American morals and values from within, for the enemy knows that a corrupt America is easier to bring down than a morally strong America. A God fearing, morally strong America cannot be brought down.

And they are working to corrupt our young...
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 12:48 AM
Right on Louie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
James R.6 Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 8:03 AM
Louie, you're spot on. How do they get away with it, they use the very document, the Constitution, this nation was founded on, and beat us over the head with it, that they are protected by it. Our founding Fathers would roll over in their GRAVES !!!!
AmyD Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:46 PM
Tad Wrote: 32 minutes ago (9:02 PM)
I watched the movie "Clash of the Titans" this weekend. I was about the Greek gods and demigods. You know, it could have just as well been about the Christian god instead of Zeus. It just amazes me how Americans--and other country for that matter--can place their personal faith in this god any more than the believe in the Greek gods.
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Tis obvious that you know little if anything about mythology Teddy.....Yes the Greek & latter Roman deities had little in the way of solid morals...They were the exception not the rule when it comes to the various patheons.
The Celts, the Nordic, the Native American tribes all had deities with solid, fundamental morals. Not all ...
Donjindra Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:31 PM
Baisley slings yet more theocratic propaganda. Will "conservatives" ever wake up?
Fabius Cunctator Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:38 PM
Baisley is talking about the civil law. He is not talking about theology, nor the canon laws of a church.
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:42 PM
We are awake and waiting for 2012 to get here. Americans should kick the ACLU along with the U.N. and all the people that support their ideas clean out of this country.
Louie13 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 11:20 PM
Joe1CR, it is too late, Obama will be the last elected president of the American Republic according to prophetic dreams dating back over a generation. The American Republic will not survive Obama’s term. More recent prophetic dreams foresee that he will be assassinated during his term, and that Hillary Clinton will take his place as president (which implies that at some point, she will take Biden’s place as vice president), but her reign will be cut short by the invasion of America during the Third World War, which will bring the American Republic to its end. Although there will be preparations for the 2012 elections, there will be no 2012 presidential election.
Fabius Cunctator Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:05 PM
ACLU:
[A]gainst [C]hristians' [L]iberties [U]nion.
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:13 PM
Some Ronald Reagan quotes

Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.

Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives.

I have wondered at times what the Ten Commandments would have looked like if Moses had run them through the US Congress.

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.


C'mon Man Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:03 PM
InsightingTruth Wrote: 5 hours ago (3:21 PM)

"The framers could have employed the word God had they intended to imply that all humans must have the same creator. They did not. Deal with it."
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There IS nothing insightfull or truthful about that statement.....

everything else you wrote, we can be very close to agreeing on...it's just lacking a few 'i's dotted and t's crossed', a verb or noun here or there....we in the ball park.

By the way, you had some other post that were excellent.

Tad6 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:02 PM
I watched the movie "Clash of the Titans" this weekend. I was about the Greek gods and demigods. You know, it could have just as well been about the Christian god instead of Zeus. It just amazes me how Americans--and other country for that matter--can place their personal faith in this god any more than the believe in the Greek gods.
Fabius Cunctator Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:16 PM
The gods of Greek Mythology had human emotions and weaknesses and committed immoral acts.
The Christian God: Jesus Christ is sinless and is the Creator of the Universe. He is the Savior of the human race foretold in the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament.
reagansucked Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:31 PM
the bible new and old tests are nothing but mythology too
Fabius Cunctator Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:40 PM
BK22 Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 2:32 PM
It just amazes me how Americans--and other country for that matter--can place their personal faith in this god any more than the believe in the Greek gods.
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Because in this country, we have that right under the constitution just as you have the right not to beleive. It really is that simple.
Jeffrey484 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 8:28 PM
It's really important to insulate normal people and their children from religionists. Imagine trying to raise decent, moral children with the neighbor's kids telling them that their family is going to hell because they don't go to church!

Let's continue to keep religion out of the public schools, and stop spending public dollars on religionist schools.
C'mon Man Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 8:32 PM
An inalienable right is one which comes as an "endowment from the Creator" and cannot be violated without coming under the judgment of God.

Fabius Cunctator Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 8:48 PM
Re:Jeffrey Wrote: 2 minutes ago (8:28 PM):
"It's really important to insulate normal people and their children from religionists. Imagine trying to raise decent, moral children with the neighbor's kids telling them that their family is going to hell because they don't go to church!
Let's continue to keep religion out of the public schools, and stop spending public dollars on religionist schools."
My response:
That statement is inane. How old are the children you are talking about? Where are "public dollars" spent on religious schools? Children should be informed about the religions of the world as a part of their education; just like they are taught about history or any other subject.
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 8:50 PM
Religionists people will not hurt your child nor will they make them indecent or
immoral. Can not say the same for the gays that you liberals have invited into your schools.
IMACAPITALIST2 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:12 PM
Really Jeffrey? And, who is protecting the innocent children from the Democrat worker's party (aka. the teachers' union) anti-religion-pro-gay propaganda?

Check out..."Open Letter to the Class of 2011" at http://blog.libertysoup.org/
BK22 Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 2:33 PM
Let's continue to keep religion out of the public schools, and stop spending public dollars on religionist schools.
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You look around lately? That has worked so well.
Fabius Cunctator Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 8:22 PM
"A good tree does not bear bad fruit. Neither can a bad tree bear good fruit. Therefore, by their fruits shall ye know the evil doers."; the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 8:42 PM
Winston Churchill [actually Clemenceau] once observed, “If you’re not a liberal at 20, you have no heart; if you’re not a conservative at 40, you have no brain.” Liberalism is emotion-based and rooted in soaring, knee-jerk notions of “social justice.” Conservatism is logic-based and rooted in reality.

Today’s rebellious youth have the heart part down. I’m glad to see they’re developing some brains.

John R10 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:49 PM
The American Criminal or Communist Liberties Union A.C.L.U. has in its 100 year History Backed the American Bund, the American Communist Party the Black Panthers, the Minuteman organization, NAMBLA ( the North American Man Boy Love Association and every criminal group in America including the Skinheads, American NAZI Party, Timothy McViegh. So of course they are against Children, and Christians we are the American Tallibhan to hear them tell about it. Lets face it they hate real America and Her Constitution which includes the clause Congress shall make NO Laws against the free Practice of Religiouse beliefs. Not that the Government can limit said beliefs unless they are harmful to other Americans; but that doesn't mean the telling of...
Mark415 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:41 PM
Thank you all for some tremendous debate and information exchange. If I may:
I deeply appreciate what I believe that Thomas Jefferson meant when he wrote his gentleman’s letter to the Danbury Baptists. If you don’t mind my explaining the punch line, the point in my article is that the words “separation between church and state” can be interpreted to mean that a school voucher should not be spent on a religious school. However, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” means that when a school district allocates a voucher to a student for purchasing the requisite courses (math, English, chemistry, etc), they can neither require nor prohibit a religious school from...
Fabius Cunctator Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 9:32 PM
That should make it clear as crystal. Why can't some lawyers understand this?
deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:40 PM
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lastman Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:32 PM
Adams, John: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Franklin: "A Republic, if you can keep it"

Jefferson: ""Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction."

Washington: "the spirit [of political parties] being [in] constant danger of excess, demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

Apostle Paul (1 Corithians 2:5): Warns about placing our faith in men instead of God
Gord3 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:00 PM
It's pretty clear that the ACLU do NOT understand the English language. The first Amendment says nothing about church and state and never was intended to .Judges in their black robes (unfortunately) can say or do whatever they believe, rather than interpret the law like they are supposed to do. That's the other problem with not having judges who will take the constitution as it was written. They pefer to mess up our country in any way they can. We should fire them all and start all over. Our congress is reluctent to impeach them when they go beyond reason and truth. However, don't hold your breath.
sylvia J Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 6:55 AM
That comes be NOT VETTING THEM THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE VETTED, just like the ones presented by LIBERALS and The ones that want "THEIR" SELF-SERVING mind like JUDGES.
Can't blame OUR FOUNDERS BY NOT TRUSTING IN MAN FIRST BUT BY GOD.Look at the ones OBAMA RUSHED through, PROVEN tho be LIKE MEINDED OBAMA.
D G Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 6:40 PM
Mark Baisley wrote... " .... keep government in its place while citizens work out their own salvation... "

Obvious to normal brains.

Mindless liberals can't figure it out.
AliveInHim Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 6:53 PM
"...while citizens work out their own salvation..."

Washington needs a reminder that the Constitution also applies to '...keeping government in its place while citizens work toward their own prosperity', etc.

I have a feeling they're *really* going to get that reminder in '12.
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:27 PM
Cicero

"Rarely is there new wisdom. Frequently are there forgotten lessons. 'The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.' --Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43BC)

AliveInHim Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:34 PM
But Joe don't you know that if the right people (that is, liberal Democrats) were in control over everything and everybody, all would be well?
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 8:24 PM
The failure of the Soviet experiment has definitely made the American Left more vicious and hate-filled than they were. The plain failure of what passed for ideas among them has enraged rather than humbled them.
D G Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 6:38 PM
Why do lib trolls prefer being stuck on stupid?
Leonard W. Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 6:13 PM
What a sick bunch of low life.
deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:44 PM
I have a question for the ACLUphiles here: If at some point we really do end up with socialized medicine, to the point that hospitals etc. become public institutions, will it become illegal then for there to be any reference to religious belief in those places?
Ann Anon Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:57 PM
Any hospital receiving federal (medicare) or local government (medicaid) funds already is liable for any comment on God. They may ask your religion for demographic studies and then ask if you would like them to contact your Pastor or would like a visit from one they choose but it must be a religion of your chosing. There are constant battles over the crosses over doors and beds that Catholic hospitals use. If nobody complains from the government they usually stay.
deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:59 PM
I didn't know that; I've been fortunate enough to not have had a lot to do with hospitals. It looks like the war the liberal cult is waging against Christianity has progressed further than I had known.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 4:05 PM
WHAT WILL WE DO!??!?!?!?!?! AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
K.C.4 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 7:32 PM
Not only that but in the early eighty's my Wife, A Jew, was written up for reading the bible to patients who requested she do so while working in a Miami Fl hospital.
deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:25 PM
The ACLU is probably the most insidious enemy the Constitution has. They levy war against the document (and the republic it defines) by selling the absurd notion that interpretation of the document is not supposed to be based in original intent. The meaning of the source that words came from is the essence of words; otherwise they're nothing more than a little ink on paper or hot air. Once the authors' meaning is stripped away from them they no longer have any real meaning; they can be interpreted any way a person wants to interpret them. If the authors can't tell us what their words mean, who can? The ACLU of course. So what they are doing is levying war on the American republic, and replacing it with their republic.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:33 PM
Dude the constitution is a joke....the patriot act voids all your rights granted by your little piece of paper....both parties dont give a crap about your rights. Quit being naive...take some LSD and evolve...and lets get the hell off this planet...

Do you honestly believe a piece of paper written by racist, misogynistic men will give you freedom?
AliveInHim Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:39 PM
Perhaps you can show us where in the constitution it says anything about endorsing slavery and presumably keeping women barefoot and pregnant...?

And then learning the meaning of the word 'presentism'.

deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:41 PM
I think maybe you're a conservative who wants to make liberal dingbats look as stupid as they can be made to look.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:45 PM
Well it did take more than century to grant women, indians, and black people equal rights....sooooo i think that pretty much proves why the constitution is a joke...

Remember this...

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted." - W.S. Burroughs
Stephanie180 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 4:31 PM
The constitution also gave women, blacks, and other minorities the right to vote. According to your logic then, does that mean those laws are a joke as well? You also said that the parties don't give a crap about our rights. Maybe if you did some research first you would see that when the constitution was written there were no parties. In fact, George Washington spoke out against parties, warning the people of them, trying to discourage people from forming factions! He said it would break the union! I'm sorry you are so misinformed.
John5840 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 4:55 PM
The COnstitution gave them that right only after a hell of along time and a hell of a big fight. The founders felt that their religion was compatible with slavery, oppression of women, and teh decimation of Native Americans. If that is the religion they adhered to in all thier glorious pronouncements, they can have it.
deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 6:16 PM
Mr. John: The founders allowed the Constitution to be changed, by amendment, which has been done. Now it belongs to all Americans. Liberal bigots use the bad things done by the authors as an excuse to destroy the document, along with the freedom it embodies. Your statement that "they can have it" regarding the religion of our founders says much about you. As is typical of liberal bigots you compare the worst reality you can find in our republic to a fantasy. Reality never looks very good compared to a fantasy. Look at the things done by people who made up their own morality, like the Nazis, communists, and so on, and compare that to the things done by our founders. To be so willing to throw out the freedom that was left us in...
AliveInHim Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 6:50 PM
So we may assume you'll be moving to, say, Sweden in the near future?

The founders were very well aware of the contradiction between their own practice of slavery and the Constitution's ideals-they stopped the slave trade from Africa. All their own slaves were eventually freed. Why don't we hear you bleating about how the Caribbean islands and Central/South Americans engaged in far more slave traffic than we ever did?

How silly you are re: forcing the Aboriginals off their lands. Andy Jackson was the DEMOCRAT president who forced the Cherokees off their land and onto the Trail of Tears. He flouted a SCOTUS ruling in doing so, telling the Justices that since they made the decision [against the govt taking the Cherokees' land] they...
JOE1CR Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 6:57 PM
W.S. Burroughs druggie nuff said!!
pascagoulapappy Wrote: Jun 28, 2011 12:12 AM
"Nothing is true." Is that true?
Darby O'Gill Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 2:57 PM
Our Lady of Fatima told the 3 children in 1917 that "Russia would spread errors througout the World". The ACLU is on this list of errors.The ACLU is an 'in your face' atheistic communist organization with one goal: Allegiance to Satan.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:15 PM
That cant really have allegiance to satan if they dont believe in him.......
deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:18 PM
Sure they can; Satan is the prince of lies.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:23 PM
Actually that would be me...loki.

I cant wait till you die and you have to face your own mortality.
Don333 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:23 PM
They (ACLU) may not believe in Satan but they are doing his work.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:27 PM
Uh huh....cause you can prove that and all.

I have been around much longer than satan...and honestly he kind of stole my gig after the christian plague burned the norse traditions to the ground.
John5840 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:28 PM
Don, you are forgettign teh admonition that the devil can quote scripture for his own purposes. If there is a devil at work, he is trying to use CHristians to inflame battles among the various sects of CHristianity. Thi sis the historic precendent you have to fear.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:30 PM
Looks like someone missed keyboarding class in high school
Don333 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:31 PM
You aren't going to get an argument from me there but you are making the mistake of grouping all Christians together.
Don333 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:31 PM
You aren't going to get an argument from me there but you are making the mistake of grouping all Christians together.
Don333 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:32 PM
John was doing his best. If he is older, like me, keyboarding class didn't exist.
Loki7 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:36 PM
QUIET YOU INSOLENT SWINE.....YOU ARE SPEAKING TO LOKI GOD OF MISCHIEF
deprogramming services Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:54 PM
Not believing in God does not keep God from existing, and not seeing the truth does not change the truth. I hope you figure that out before it's too late for you. Open your eyes brother; there's more to our existence than what you see on the surface, and if you look with an open mind, and seek Him out in Jesus' name, you will find God, and see what I mean. I'm sure now this is falling on deaf ears. But maybe some day you will find yourself in need of the kind of help your human masters can't give you, and you will remember my words here.
John5840 Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 4:57 PM
Looks like someone is too young to comment. Ya know, there was a time BEFORE there were keyboards.
C'mon Man Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 2:45 PM
InsightingTruth Wrote: 16 minutes ago (2:09 PM)

Regarding your next statement, we are now in complete agreement. I am proud to have been here for your evolution into a more thoughtful and enlightened human being. I hope I helped in some small way; after all that's why I come to TH.
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Let me break it down to you ONE BY ONE

In what way are "all men created equal?"

All humanity are equal in three ways: 1. equal before God, 2. equal before the law, 3. equal in their rights. In all other respects people are different.

What is an inalienable right?

An inalienable right is one which comes as an "endowment from the Creator" and cannot be violated without coming under the judgment of God.

Which...
InsightingTruth Wrote: Jun 27, 2011 3:21 PM
Except for your misattribution of the source of my rights we are in complete agreement. I defend your right to believe that your God is the source of your rights. But you may not righteously presume to know the source of my rights. They come from my creator, who may or may not be the same as yours.

The framers could have employed the word God had they intended to imply that all humans must have the same creator. They did not. Deal with it.

It is clear that you see the value in the idea of inalienable human rights. Why then mitigate the concept by imposing your peculiar beliefs on others?

It is clear to all who study history, including religious history, that the framers were profoundly influenced by their religion. That fact is...
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