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nimh2 Wrote: Jan 08, 2013 8:23 AM
Why are federal departments such as epa, social security administration and department of "homeland security" buying up MILLIONS of rounds of hollow-point ammunition??
It seems that the government is attempting to DISARM the civilian populace while "gearing up" for war within the USA.
DHS has taken Americorps "volunteers" and given them regular "jobs". Is this the "civilian army" that the o'bama has promised to create??
Folks, keep your powder dry . . . it's going to be a bumpy ride . . .
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FairnessMan Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:50 PM
Ah, you gotta respect and love them, the armed “heroes” in blue, the over pampered, overpaid, over perked, over pensioned, greedy, arrogant, ungrateful little boy/men with illusions of grandeur, a God complex and very, very, very bad attitudes. Yes, when seconds count, they are only minutes away finishing their doughnuts or taking a nap in some secluded spot. Also remember, if we had more robbers and few cops the taxpayers would come out way ahead!
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Dr_Zinj Wrote: Jan 07, 2013 9:42 AM
Don't get too down on the cops. Some of them are actually good people. The mistake much of the public makes is to think that they are there to protect them. That's not true, and the "To Protect" part of their slogan stenciled on their cars really should be removed. The police are there to serve. They can' tbe everywhere, and we neither want them to be, nor can we afford them to be anything other than a reactionary, quick response force. But quick response is never going to be instant response. Which is the whole point of being able to carry a concealed weapon in the first place.
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David4 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 9:47 PM
Political Calculations repeated a mistake made by many in the first hours of the news. They said "the suspect, Ryan Lanza, ", when Ryan/Bryan was actually many dozen miles away in Newark NJ, and the real shooter was his younger brother Adam Lanza.
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Verbivore Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:15 PM
Who cares? How in the WORLD did it take police 11 minutes?? The parents might want to consider some lawsuits? In what world does "11 minutes" equal protection!?
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Carl265 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:26 PM
My police dept is 5 blocks away and on a good day they can be here in 5 minutes.
The Police are not intrested in anything but writing up the crime scene and end the shift un-harmed. DUH!
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Doug Rodrigues Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:36 PM
The Police cannot be sued for failure to protect. The Supreme Court had previously ruled that the ONLY LEGAL DUTY of the Police is to investigate crime, and to bring the criminal to Justice....period. This decision was brought about by three woman who were beaten and raped over a period of 8 hours when the police failed to respond to a 911 call. It went all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the women lost the Civil Suit. You are your first line of protection, whether or not you think you are. Anybody who tell you different is ignorant of reality.

Ret: Dep. Sheriff.
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TS8 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 3:11 PM
You just don't understand--the objective is NOT to protect/save children/victims, it's to ban guns. The more dead the better for the libs. As long as they have their own armed guards, they're happy.
Libs are using Giffords and these kids as mascots to be exploited and discarded.
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Carl265 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:32 PM
We need more Gun Free( Free Kill ) zones.
I have a sign on my business door--Concealed Carry Welcome! If the need arises please exercise good gun control and try to minimize collattoral damage.Thank You for your co-operaton
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FairnessMan Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:55 PM
No the objective of the "heroes" in blue is to put in their 20 or 25 years of doughnut runs, play tough asz cowboys with the citizens, collect their six figure salaries, in many cases six figure pensions, free health care and enjoy the good life on YOUR dime from about 50 years old until they hopefully croak ASAP.
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M1946W Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 1:18 PM
First we need to understand nearly all these mass shooting occur in so-called gun-free zones. That idea should be abandoned immediately as it simply draws people like Adam Lanza like moths to a candle flame. I conclude the gun-free zone is another in a long list of progressive's 'enlightened' ideas that was, in fact, a disaster. We should never forget that in the hands of the law-abiding citizen the primary function of a gun is to act as a deterrent to those who would take from others, be it our lives, our loved ones, or our property. Only after criminals have refused to be deterred is it necessary to use that weapon in defense of our rights.
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capitalust Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 7:58 PM
Maybe we should start calling them what they are: "defense free zones", or "shooter safe zones"
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Carl265 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:35 PM
Free Kill Zones
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GTA Wrote: Jan 07, 2013 11:07 AM
Flesh-and-blood shooting galleries.

When was the last time one of these shooters opened fire in a shooting range -- or anywhere else where people would have guns.

The Batman shooter went to the ONLY theater in his area that specifically forbade the concealed carry of firearms.

Who believes this was an accident?

Anyone?
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nimh2 Wrote: Jan 08, 2013 8:25 AM
I call them "criminal safety zones"
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Corktip Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:27 AM
The pump shotgun is a far better weapon for defending inside a building like a school. Much easier to be effective with a 12g loaded with buckshot than a pistol. A shotgun in a quick opening secure locker is a better choice in my view than a pistol carried at all times: restrictions on concealed carry make things awkward (can't go to the post office, hospital, government offices, etc. with a weapon). Body armor can be defeated with a shotgun much easier than with a pistol: shoot at legs, hands, head to stop the offender. The known presence of a shotgun will discourage most attackers...
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Tacitus X Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 2:46 PM
Not well thought out. The killer won't "excuse" you to retrieve your shotgun. The spreading pattern of shot poses a risk to bystanders. The rate of fire is much slower and the recoil of a 12 gauge slows it even further. It also takes 2 hands to operate-what if you need to open doors, descend a staircase, operate light switches, etc?
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Carl265 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:42 PM
My Taurus Judge can discharge 5 .410 rounds as fast as I can pull the trigger and fits in my pocket. Works for me!
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 5:57 PM
no school shooter wore body armor.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/22/fox-no-body-armor-for-aurora-theater-shooter/

and a shotgun is a BAD idea for close quarters combat. those pellets that miss WILL ricochet or hit others nearby. Plus,you can't carry one concealed. The teacher's guns MUST be carried concealed,on their persons,not in a lockbox where they could be caught away from it.
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art119 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:09 AM
The police almost always arrive at the crime scene after the crime has been committed. They collect data, take notes, put the bodies into the body bags and make grand and sweeping pronouncements to the media about how they are going to follow up on the crime and leave no stone unturned. Now imagine if Victoria Soto had been armed with a semi automatic pistol that morning. And knew how to use it. Instead of "flinging herself" helplessly at a maniac who is armed to the teeth with a semi automatic weapon she could have potentially put a couple of rounds through the back of his head. End of problem, end of massacre and there might have been only one or two deaths instead of 26.
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bfouraker Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:07 AM
That is a good question. If she pulled a handgun and hit the shooter that would have been the end of the massacre. It has to be a head shoot, too many of these gunmen now wear body armor. This is case of self defense if nothing is. Instead of having every elementry school teacher armed; maybe, having the principal (and office staff) armed and trained and a panic buton in each class would be a solution?
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David1735 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:30 AM
Body armor might prevent the bullet from penetrating the body, but it doesn't slow the bullet down. A hit to the body armor will at least knock the perp off balance. I train for 2 to the body, followed by 1 to the head.

I don't think EVERY teacher should be armed. But I, and my CCW-permitted colleagues, would be happy if we were allowed to carry at school. A panic button is no protection.
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jwarrior1 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 2:09 PM
First volunteers only
second, a certification course completed with refreshers
third, security measures and equipment such as a biometric gun drawer or holsters provided to on-site school personnel.
fourth, controlled at the school level not federal.
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 5:51 PM
that body armor bit is NOT TRUE.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/22/fox-no-body-armor-for-aurora-theater-shooter/

what the last two were wearing were "load bearing" vests,lots of pockets for mags and other gear,but no bullet resistance.
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 5:54 PM
Uh,the physics says that the bullet MUST be slowed down to stop it from entering the body. What body armor does is distribute the force over a greater area while preventing penetration. there Is some deformation,meaning you get hit by a sledgehammer. but you survive.
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:07 AM
"progressives" are all too willing to consider trashing the Constitution with Utopian-fantasy gun control and mental testing that cannot work and is impractical,but absolutely rule out allowing armed,carry-permitted school employees that HAS worked before in a couple of schools and other public places,doesn't cost anything,and is very practical. VERY do-able,and EFFECTIVE.

So it's not really about keeping the children safe.
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Ginger12 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 2:47 PM
It is not a utopian fantasy..it is disarming Americans so they can do anything they want....it is called CONTROL. The King of England has nothing on this administration in charge .... they are trying to totally destroy the Constitution against their own oath of office. Funny, that all of these massacres get front page new, but when a woman shoots an intruder and saves herself and her two nine year old children...the media is totally silent...as they are silent when David Gregory outlandishly breaks the laws of Washington with the clips he had on his show and nothing is done....the elists are "above the law"? When Americans are stupidly turn in their guns, our free country becomes a dictatorship&we will go from citizens to subjects.
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:06 AM
"when seconds count,police are minutes away."

but "progressives" would rather the killers be able to use up ALL their ammo before anyone with a gun arrives to stop them.


Having armed teachers (and other school employees)is like having plainclothes police scattered all around the school,at no cost. it's the smart thing to do.
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:06 AM
A popular misconception is that teachers or other school employees are a "worse threat" to the students (that is REALLY irrational) and ineffective against an armed intruder. That is untrue. Any armed school person would have to have a concealed carry permit,and permit holders have proven themselves to be safe and law-abiding,in EVERY US state that issues the permits.There's no reason or evidence to believe that permit holders would act any different on school grounds than they do in other public places. There's no evidence that a permittee would shoot an innocent,that just has not happened (by a permit holder) in real life,after decades of CC and thousands of defensive gun uses.
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AConcernedWomanVoter Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 9:07 AM
ADAM Lanza, not Ryan. I feel so sorry for Ryan. His crime was being Adam's brother. Just get your facts straight before you post.
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ironman Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:27 AM
You are correct - we incorrectly identified the identity of the Sandy Hook Elementary shooter as Ryan Lanza, the brother of the actual homicide offender Adam Lanza, which has been corrected in our original post, which appears here:

http://politicalcalculations.blogspot.com/2013/01/eleven-minutes-and-23-miles-away.html

Our apologies for the error on our part, which was the result of the mis-identification of the shooter in some of the original reporting for the incident.
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Serpentdove Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:27 AM
Georgia boy has all the earmarks of a southern racist bigot who feels he needs to purge his racism. The problem is that by going to the extreme that he does, all he does is exacerbate his own racism.
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shubi_ Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:43 AM
Naah, it's Sybil the insane troll. I think he is paid by Townhall to build traffic on the site, since they have not been able to get rid of him for some reason.
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:03 AM
one thing IS clear,the troll is GREATLY AUGMENTED by all the fools who reply to it's spam.
they TRIPLE the number of spam entries the troll actually makes.

every TH regular ought to be able to recognize Ancel's newest pseudonym,flag it and pass it by,WITHOUT commenting and giving the troll the attention it so desperately seeks.
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Carl265 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:55 PM
Her is my AMEN!
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Carl265 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:56 PM
can't spell either ---HERE is my AMEN!
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Serpentdove Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:24 AM
I heard in the news in which a lady was in a McDonalds and there were several policemen out of uniform, but having exposed weapons. The lady complained and the owner of the McDonalds asked the cops to leave and now the police are boycotting the McDonalds. This shows the complete stupidity of the mentality of the left. THAT LADY WAS SAFER THERE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE SHE COULD BE.
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shubi_ Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:26 AM
It was a Denny's.
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Serpentdove Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:22 AM
if the would be crazy shooters know that the teachers and principal are armed, they will not even venture onto the school grounds.
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Serpentdove Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 6:21 AM
If the principal had had a glock or ruger on her belt, there may not have been ANY dead.
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SamT2 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 7:33 AM
I totally agree with this comment. Probably in addition to the principal, there should be several others (coach, counciler, couple of teachers) with weapons in a class room lock box so the attacker won't know from whence his/her end will come
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Jay Wye Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 10:00 AM
No,concealed carry,if possible.
then the gun is on their person,ready for immediate response,they will not be caught away from it.
Having armed teachers (and other school employees)is like having plainclothes police scattered all around the school,at no cost. it's the smart thing to do.
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Don664 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 4:13 PM
Or janitors or kitchen help or whatever. And training the gunners isn't enough. ALL personnel, including the students should be trained. Just like a fire drill. What are the kids taught to do during a lock down now? The socialists - who don't care about the dead, except as a means to get their totalitarian state by disarming you - will deny all day, but Wayne La Pierre was dead on. A good guy with a gun.
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shubi_ Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 5:53 AM
Home schooling sounds a lot better now doesn't it?
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bobm001 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 4:17 AM
Hey Georgia BOY,
Take your PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL claptrap elsewhere. If you'd stay "on topic" your IQ(I think the 61) points just might increase. But your rantings of "racism" are misplaced on this topic of LEA response time.
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ehall Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 4:17 AM
I lived in Washington, DC when we had the toughest anti-gun laws in the country and the highest per capita gun murder rate in the country. I witnessed the truth of the saying: "When gun-ownership is criminalized, only criminals have guns." Unfortunately, since they are already criminals, they have no motivation to not have the guns. Only the law-abiding citizens are penalized by tighter gun laws.

In whatever context it may arise and toward whatever justification, it is nonetheless true that black slavery did start in Africa. (Why? Where did dark-skinned people live!) Slavery as a cultural protocol, however, existed in every early civilization of which I am aware - race nor ethnicity notwithstanding. It still exists today - mostly in Africa
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Don664 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 4:10 PM
Slavery has existed throughout human history in all climes and societies. Until White Christians in Europe and America began the campaign to end it. It still exists. The campaign against human trafficking even finds it here. But if you want out and out slavery, go to Africa and Asia where it still exists.
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Carl265 Wrote: Jan 06, 2013 11:04 PM
You will notice that Chicago now holds the title of Murder Capitol of the World, with the most restrictive gun laws in the country. Approximately 500 in Chicago and 168 in Afganistan?
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