Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Richard Olivastro :: Townhall.com Columnist
Should Citizens Derail the Health Care Express?
by Richard Olivastro
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Most adult Americans learn from the experience of living. Almost all of them conclude that our ancestor Ben Franklin got it right, centuries ago, when he said “… in this world nothing is certain but death and taxes.”

Now, unless a significant majority of Americans figure it out - and promptly execute a massive ‘shout-out’ - founder Franklin’s prescient statement will need amending. That’s because government intervention in yet another arena of American life - our private health care system - is on a political track that will affect everyone living in the United States.

The Obama “Health Care Express” has already left Washington’s “Union Station.” With powerful special-interest groups already on board, the feds’ “Health Care Express” is rattling along the rails hurtling toward everyone. Using the political fiat of “47 million uninsured” - 1/3 of whom, perhaps more, are illegal aliens - the administration’s political “conductors” will insert government bureaucrats into every personal doctor-patient relationship.

Thus, government controlled health care, which few Americans conceived possible following the failure of “Hilary Care” back in the early 90’s; and, even fewer thought probable given the flawed financing facts uncovered by opponents of “Hilary Care;” is now on a track that appears increasingly certain.

Ben Franklin would frown. He knows this is not what he and the other founders warranted.

If America’s citizens fail to derail Obama’s “Health Care Express” train the real wreck will not be just the system but the impact and effects forced on each citizen as part of the government nationalization of yet another American industry. Freedom and choice regarding health decisions and financial options for themselves and other family members will certainly be impinged and ultimately reduced.

Despite the spin and presentation twists we hear from politicians and domestic special interests, consider the facts from other countries.

Canadians describe the massive costs of nationalized health care, the poor quality of service, and lengthy delays to gain access to providers.

In Britain, it’s more of the same; plus, we are told of “turndowns” for certain individuals deemed too old to receive the “universal” care they need.

Of course, Canadians have the advantage of proximity. They can come here as private patients to access health care that, in their own country, is not available – soon enough, or at all. Ironically, their private access to a U.S. government controlled health care system would likely change at some point. So, it is in the personal interest of individual Canadians to urge their American friends to stop the nationalization of American health care, as well as remind them of the backbreaking level of taxes on citizens needed to pay for a nationalized system.

Obviously, various elements of our health care system understandably concern individual Americans. Those elements also motivate other disparate interests. Paramount, however, is the market cost of services; or, alternatively, the cost for contract coverage. Lower the cost of the former and the price of the latter follows. Simply put, rationing by government is not the answer. Americans understood that when “Hilary Care” was attempted; and, they remain wary of it today, despite the new name, “Health Care Express.”

Here’s the general bottom line: Americans are fortunate to have available a private health care system that is, in reality, second to none. There are plenty of doctors, surgeons and other specialists available in the U.S. to deliver needed care to all citizens. While some community activists want more facilities, existing hospitals, and especially other health delivery facilities, are calibrating both care delivery models, facility expansion and outreach to meet local needs.

All Americans would be better served if the government would remove all constraints to doing business on hospitals, etc. Allow them to compete with each other, in every area and neighborhood in which they choose. Competition not only can drive prices down, it will drive prices down. The same market reality applies with doctors, surgeons, etc.

The one ‘jaw-boning’ action that real leaders should take is to publicly call on all members and entities in the health care industry to post prices online and conspicuously in patient waiting areas. The coding used by practitioners to bill insurance companies can also be used on "cost-of-care" estimates for prospective patients. That would assist individuals in non-emergency situations to comparison shop and promote medical second-opinions.

Yes, competition will drive down the cost of health care; and, everyone who prefers to have health insurance will be able to find a provider – if government is told to stop and stay out.

Government’s exit would remove coercion and thus enable the appropriate use of promoting personal behavior modification to further reduce costs by placing that responsibility on each individual subscriber; and providing each subscriber the opportunity to achieve earned health discounts as a matter of choice and personal commitment.

Vast majorities of Americans do not agree with government intervening in either the banking or auto industries. If someone stands up to the government interventionists and special-interests, articulates the downside implications of government nationalizing our private health care system, America’s citizens will derail the administration’s “Health Care Express.”

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Richard Olivastro is a professional member of the National Speakers Association, president of People Dynamics, an executive leadership development company, and founder of Citizens For Change.
 
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We'll stop it
But watch for the addition of tort reform to get Republican and Blue Dog votes.

I've already sent letters to my Congresswoman and Senators reminding them of Article V of the Constitution. If they want to take over HC, they need an Amendment. I've not received an answer yet, so I'll fax the letter again today.

How vigilant have YOU (Town Hallers) been today? Did you just come on to TH to bi*ch, or have you actually done something constructive?

Put on your game face, knuckle-up, and FIGHT!

High Plumber!
Other than South Dakota I feel parts of CO are where I'd rather be. You're near the Cache la Poudre (Powderhorn) River? Awesome. I'm an old school black powder guy myself and that country is like the Promised Land. Still SD has the strongest economy of all 50 states right now because it's so red it glows at night!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

First, Plumber
we have to educate the dependant dumb masses. Any ideas?

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

STOP OBAMA'S MACHINE
This farce that they are foisting on the United States must be brought to an end. These "Hate America" people who think that the healthcare in Europe and Canada is free, have no idea how it really works. I live with the system that they have in Germany. I now have chronic problems from being put on a waiting list for everything. The Doctors here get very little of the money that is taken from me each month for my health insurance. They have no incentive to provide decent care. The best doctors have left this country for other countries where they can eqarn a decent living and practice medicine without the burden of Big Brother directing them. My family doctor get 35 Euros every three months to care for me. That 35 Euros should cover all expenses for those three months. My medication bill is over 500 Euros each month, I have to pay a 5 - 10 Euro copay for prescriptions. I pay a total of 500 Euros that is close to 700 US dollars each month. That is just for me. My wife has to pay the same amount for her, because there is no family insurance policies here. Trust me, you don't want what they are selling. Stop them, stop them, stop them or else never get sick or try to get healthcare again.

BTW wrangler and plumber, I am from SD and agree with you wrangler 100%.

Bob

education is key
Plus, don't let your conservative friends get overwhelmed and become apathetic. Any idea how we can get protests together in front of each ABC affiliate nationwide to protest their Obama infomercial of the 24th?

Good topic Richard!
Good topic Richard!

Yes the citizens should try and derail this runaway express. But the question is, CAN they? Ovomit and his Fascist goons are running roughshod over our Constitution, and our laws at will. I and my wife, like 'The Plumber', have written and Faxed all reps many times. The only thing we get back are form letters saying basically, "Thanks for your interest" but nothing is ever done!

I think the Ovomit administration is going to ram this through regardless of what the Citizen thinks, or what the Constitution says! I think it will take far more than letter writing or calling. We may have to take to the streets with force to stop this wanta-be Fascist dictator!

Hey Wrat!
Find a local 9-12 or Tea Party group. We've got several here in CO. One in Ft Collins is organizing a healthcare lecture regarding the plans in place in other countries with mature socialized HC. HC professionals and an economist will be speaking. They've advertised the event through flyers, letters to the editor, and calls to radio talk shows. The organizers are expecting over a thousand people to show up.

If there are no groups in your area, start one. You'll be surprised at the turnout if advertised effectively. For instance, I'll be manning a booth at a gun show to promote 9-12 and TEA party groups in Greeley, Ft Collins, and Loveland. Rental price: $50 for two days. I'll probably be in contact with over a thousand people over that weekend, nearly every one of them a conservative. I'm doing this on my own, with my own money.

Once you have a group, assuming you haven't joined one already in place, make your next meeting a "bring a friend" meeting. A group of 10 can easily become 20 or more. Out of a group of 20, at least one will know a HC professional who is scared to death of socialized HC. Get THAT professional to talk to the group about why s/he is worried. Those 20, once educated, will talk to three others. The group can then start a letter writing campaign utilizing your new knowledge.

Set the group up anyway you want. The guy in Greeley runs the thing himself though he delegates authority to other volunteers through email. The group in Loveland has a formal structure with regular meetings, committees, chairpeople, Rules of Order, etc.

I'll tell ya though, people like to make signs and protest the govt. So plan a rally. Be sure to have sign-up sheets for email and phone #'s. All it takes is time and motivation.


Goshawk
We had a State Senator come to our 9-12 meeting last week. He said that there is NOTHING more effective than going right into the office of your elected officials.

Get a group, get your talking points, get a petition with a list of names of registered voters who believe as you do, and deliver your message in person. A small group of a dozen can make a heck of an impact. More is better. Regardless, you won't be ignored.

ALL
ABC must be boycotted. THEY MUST!

I Wonder
Why are Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, and Finland all happy with their health care? If the US system is so wonderful, why aren't those countries demanding what we have?

The populations of those nations are covered 100%. Why don't they long to have 40% uncovered, like us? Their mentally ill are in supervised housing and appropriate jobs and are medicated. Why don't they want their mentally ill delusional and unmedicated and sleeping in the park, like ours? Their citizens don't face bankruptcy when a medical emergency suddenly appears. How they must envy us.


lilly
You've been corrected too many times, by too many people, every way under the sun.

You want socialized health care? Get an Amendment, or go to a country where the populace holds liberty with the same distain as you. IOW, get the "F" out, statist. There are plenty of countries for you to choose from. Liberty lovers don't have that luxury.

And before you carry on with the Leftist tripe about free market healthcare somehow "failing", we haven't had a free market in HC since govt started subsidizing the industry. High costs and the lack of access are the sum result of our own experiment in socialization.

You don't care about costs or access, all you care about is control. You're a fascist.

I wonder...
...why lilly doesn't just pick up and move to Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, or Finland where everybod is so dang happy. BTW, what does actually happen when somebody faces a medical emergency? What is the prognosis compared to here?

I have a question...
...why is it that in other arenas the existence of a public/subsidized option has not strangled the private one, and yet we are to believe public healthcare will destroy private choice?

I'm thinking specifically of public libraries that have not shuttered Amazon or Borders, NPR which has not monopolized public FM or AM, and state universities that have not knocked out private schools.

Any thoughts? IMHO, the public/subsidized option in all these cases have forced the privately owned competitors to step their game up to compete.

ObamaCare
Did you watch the morning shows on Sunday? If not, let me give you a little recap.

Senator Christopher Dodd (D-CT) stated he is against taxing healthcare benefits, the governmental option, and restricting the choices available by patients.

Plus, read how the business community is united and has declared war on ObamaCare here:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/06/14/govern ment-health-care-derail-cooperation-hopes/

And, see how BOTH Senators from Illinois may now be in trouble here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/13/durbin-cashed-out-on- inside-information-sun-times/


Thus, GM gets to foist its healthcare liabilities on taxpayers, the UAW reaps a windfall, and unions will grow since more hospital workers will become unionized.


The Real Agenda...
Last Thursday at a town hall meeting in Rio Rancho New Mexico President Barack Obama was asked why, when “so many people go bankrupt using their credit cards to pay for healthcare. Why have they taken single-payer off the plate (audience applause), and why is Senator Baucus on the Finance Committee discussing health care when he has received so much money from the pharmaceutical companies? Isn’t it a conflict of interest?” (more audience applause)

“Healthcare is one-sixth of our economy, so it is a complicated and difficult task. Congress is going to have to work hard, and everybody is going to have to come at this with a practical perspective as opposed to being ideologically pure in getting it done… Why not do a single-payer system? … A single-payer system is like, Medicare is sort of a single-payer system, but it’s only for people over 65, and the way it works is, uh, the idea is you don’t have insurance companies as middle men. " - Barack Obama

Question: More than 80 House Democrats are supporting a single payer, Canadian-style, Medicare for all healthcare system. It's HR 676. Why don't you support it?

Pelosi: "I've always supported single payer."

Health insurance companies will be eliminated, people will not have a choice, bureacrats will run the system, rationing will be necessary to pay the tab, and our healthcare will be ruined.

And, Who Is Blocking It...
Howie Klein has a rundown of all the money that the people who are blocking real reform in health care have received from the health care industry.

Arlen Specter (R-D- PA- $4,026,933)
Max Baucus (DLC- MT- $2,833,731)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY- $2,758,468)

And when you just go right to Big Insurance, the non-presidential candidates who got the biggest legalized bribes were the 7 senators who have been tasked with the job of killing single-payer:

Ben Nelson (DLC-NE- $1,196,799)
Max Baucus (DLC- MT- $1,184,113)
Joe Lieberman (DLC- CT- $1,036,302)
Arlen Specter (R-D- PA- $1,035,530)
Chuck Schumer (D-NY- $981,400)
Mitch McConnell (R-KY- $929,207)
Chuck Grassley (R-IA- $884,724)

Obama does not have the votes in the Senate and he will be unable to achieve a single-payer system with only House Liberals.

Thank God.

$56,500 Per Individual

According to the CBO, the much bandied about Kennedy-Dodd Healthcare proposal will cover only 19mn Americans at a price tag of $1tn or $56,500 per individual. In 2019, the plan will add another 18mn individuals, which will raise the number of covered people to 37mn. The cost will go up accordingly.

Unfortunately, the plan does not address the millions of people, who will lose their health insurance when their companies discontinue its healthcare benefits.

Same problem, but with upwards of a $3tn price tag.

I Keep Telling You, lilly
"Why are Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, and Finland all happy with their health care? If the US system is so wonderful, why aren't those countries demanding what we have?"


You are NOT, let me repeat NOT, going to get the socialized medical system of ANY of those countries.

The most bandied about proposal is the Kennedy-Dodd health care bill. It resembles closely the British and Candadian medical systems.

Don't be daft, lilly. Do you own research on the NHS and the NICE Board.

Lilly get OFF the Daily Kos for once!!!
Go to cprights.org and see the hundreds of horror stories about Canadian healthcare and the English system. In the U.K. if you have macular degeneration you HAVE to go blind in one eye before they treat the other one. I AM blind in one eye and it's NO fun believe me.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Hmm... I got ignored
But I would like an answer to the question:

why do you suppose that public healthcare would preclude private healthcare?

What industry can you point to in which the public option strangled the private?

I can point to three in which it did not: literature, radio, and higher education.

Please inform me: what makes healthcare so different that the subsidized public option will necessarily destroy the private one?

Nevermind
Looking at the fine print, I'm understanding that single-payer would necessarily wipe out private insurance.

paranoidmystic
"Looking at the fine print, I'm understanding that single-payer would necessarily wipe out private insurance."

Yes, it would. The same would eventually happen with a public option pay for by government supported health insurance. The CBO has projected that health insurance or the public option would result in more than 115mn Americans losing their health insurance provided by their employers. Now, factor in the information that I provided in my $56,500 per individual post and you can easily see how the cost of the programme would easily exceed $3tn.

Ben Franklin would not like either party
Franklin used opium the last few years of his life to get through the ravages of aging. He was not an addict -- people in the U.S. recognized a personal right to use whatever drug one wants until 1915. That included heroin and cocaine. Franklin would also think it is ridiculous to mandate that a doctor have 8 years of education (4 undergrad, 4 med school) along (often) with residency programs (at least 3 years). It is impossible for a "lay person" no matter how smart, to perform surgery or treat patients. Franklin gave away his lightning rod invention -- he refused to patent it because he believed it to be a public good. Big pharma and the GOP are the oposite of that -- they outlaw generic pain meds and push big money drugs like Vioxx (that ended up killing people). My wife got Vioxx for pain after gynecological surgery -- totally inappropriate -- but the kickback to docs is great. You can get codeine over the counter in most of the world, but not in the U.S.A. That is GOP policy for the most part.

single pay wipes out the private sector?
That is by no means true. Countries with universal healthcare in the developed world (about 30 exist) do not all do things the same way. Germany is decentralized and has a lot of private insurance. Ireland provides coverage via insurance choice. There are examples on the otherside as well. Of course, many drugs are invented outside of the U.S. and we import some of our medical equipment. It is nothing more than a baseless scare tactic to claim that all private care would go out of business with a universal coverage system.

Feargal
Despite your attempts to sound intellectual, you are very very mistaken. No doctor can survive on medicare patients.

Bottom line, instead of the best and brightest becoming doctors, they'll become communist liberals figuring out better ways to steal from the masses.

I have health care FOR NOW!!
Once SEIU learns they can punt every union member off the rolls to save money (funnel MORE to O'Vomit) they won't wait. They are ALL about penny pinching. We have the WORST Rx plan in the known universe: Medco by Mail!!!! Then the Union hired some hack pharmacist to provide legitimacy for their denial of any DECENT meds so they can foist generic tripe on members.

Everyone not in administration in my college has to rely on 1199 SEIU and they KEEP voting to keep the same leadership who screws them year after year.

THREE times they had me listed as dead!!!!

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Yes, stop *health care*
Call the Sen. 202-224 (or 255) -3121.

The AMA, most private ins., nurses, and the vast network of hospitals has been frozen out of contributing to this massive $1.2 TRILLION mishmash designed to turn US medicine into a third world clinic, all to generate for King Elect O and his money-grabbing Chicago thugs in DC.

Bork Sotomayor.
Buy gold.
Do not buy GM or Chrysler.

Go to teapartypatriors.org and find a place to demonstrate, because if we don't take over the streets we'll be oppressed like Iranians in our own country.

FearGalX

In the UK, specialtists Go Galt. In both the UK and in France, people dig deep into their pockets in order to see private doctors and clinics.

I lived in the UK and in France. I know about which I write. I suggest that you do your own research.

Eliminate all health insurance except
for catastrophic. I don't support this single payer idea, but the current system sucks. Look at your bill - even if you are covered. Then note what they charge for an aspirin or a simple b.p. test - it's insane. If you took the insurance carriers and the attorneys out of the mix - prices would plummet.

Root Canals - who wants one?
Dental insurance is stupid. Everybody gets cavities and needs their teeth periodically cleaned. Insurance just drives up the prices.

If everybody had their teeth cleaned 2x a year and getting a cavity filled was reasonably priced - how many root canals would that eliminate? Pay cash.

Wrat Wrangler
Location: NY
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Date: Jun 16, 2009 - 7:18 PM EST
Lilly get OFF the Daily Kos for once!!!
Go to cprights.org and see the hundreds of horror stories about Canadian healthcare and the English system.
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Only 100s? Funny thing is, you could find 10 Americans unhappy with their health care situation for every Canadian. Make that 50-1. At least the people of other countries aren't worried about bankrupting themselves and their immediate families (and extended families).

Reminds me of the Con attitude towards AGW. "We can find 100 scientists who think GW is not happening" forgetting that there would be 2,000 saying the opposite. Cons sure do pick the shortest straw in most situations. Maybe some math and science classes -- I know, I know, they believe in ID.

inthemajority
If you just increase coverage without increasing the # of providers - you can't help but ration healthcare.

I agree that something needs to be done. But we can't push a plan that will be put together like the stimulus package - meaning an ineffective plan that nobody reads or understands. Again - look at the item costs on your next bill and ask why an aspirin or a routine test is so high - that's the problem.

inthemajority

There are ~305mn people in this country.

There are ~800,000 doctors practicing in the United States.

You will have rationing. Further, the government will have to try to attract more foreign doctors.

If you don't the foreign part will happen, consider that a school district in Alabama fired dozens of American teachers weeks ago because they were unable to meet the Federal standards. The school board is now bringing in teachers from the Phillipines.

if we offered a national single payer
I have no doubt things would change (contrary to one post, I do know something about other countries systems and did live outside of America for a short while). Even under things now, Dr. Ron Paul opts out of many insurance programs -- particularly government ones. If everyone who wanted VA coverage, with some type of VA connection -- for a moderate amount -- like a days wages a month -- let's say $75. Also set a co-pay around 10 bucks -- that would get a whole lot of people some cheap basic care. My friends with VA care think that it is ok -- but not great. Everyone else should benefit for medicaid without regard to income. Some docs would not want the reimbursement, others would take it still others (I had this happened when I changed dental insurance and wanted to keep my dentist) will make you pay up front, insurance pays about 80% of the bill -- invariably you pay more than a provider fully in your system. BTW docs have no way to go -- we pay our docs very well -- and will continue to do so under most who want simple plans. However, I make no promises as to what actually gets adopted. It should be illegal for hospitals to charge an bill for service to an insurnace company at a rate 10% the cost of what somebody pays without insurance. By the way, our big pharma's control over contress and the AMA is quite disgusting.

FeargalX
"docs have no way to go -- we pay our docs very well"


Sure they have some place to go. Doctors in this country already have clinics in posh resorts in Southern Mexico, in the Caribbean, and in Central America. I have been to one. They do all sorts of procedures and offer treatments that are banned by the FDA here, even though they have successfully been used by clinics all over the world.

Don't kid yourself. They will leave. I know this for a fact because I have discussed it with doctors.

They will not put up with ObamaCare.

Train to Hades
This train to Hades has got to be derailed and the policies of the driver as well.
We simply can't support all the Big Spendulous programs this Idiot in Chief has proposed and the fools that follow him.
Just more selective death from this Socialist evil. We'll next be going to South America to seek medical care.

Ben Franklin did not say even to the
... effect that nothing is certain but death and taxes.

What he did say, however, was that in life nothing is certain but death and the inevitable corruption of those who collect our taxes.

A heck of a difference, Mr Olivastro, from your politically and/or bureaucratically-spun version!

And as true today as when he said it.

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles Califobambicated 90028
And the Far Abroad

Americans are ALREADY going abroad
Old Tom,

Americans are ALREADY going to places like Thailand, Mexico, and India for surgery because they do it JUST AS WELL for a FRACTION of the cost here. And US insurance companies are beginning to pay for it! (So they don't have to pay the higher US cost!!!) It is setting a bad precedent. What if the patient has postsurgical complications down the road???

Mr. Olivastro, US system is second to...
...none all right. It is second to none in sending untold numbers of people into financial ruin, including bankruptcy and foreclosure, for diseases they could not help.

We should be thoroughly ashamed of ourselves.
NO other country with any level of civilization allows this to happen. NONE.

Mr. Olivastro, YOU need to stop "ratchet-jawing" about competition driving down prices. In health care, it HAS not done it in decades, and WILL NOT, because health care is a social good, NOT a commodity to be bartered on the open market.

If you are a true "free market" advocate, you would espouse the best way to let free enterprise work. That is to get rid of segments of the economy which do NOTHING to provide a product or service of value.

In the present discussion, that would be health insurance companies.

In so doing, we have the opportunity to put into place the best way to solve our health care catastrophe at no increased overall costs.
It would NOT be a socialized system.

It is called SINGLE PAYER. The sooner we just go ahead and put it in, the better off we will all be.

Easy Answer
Get your answer here! http://theblacksphere.net/site/obamacare-america-gets-new- proctologist/ This guy is spot on, and freaking hysterical!

foxyloxy
Please stop commenting, you have no clue about accounting. Those expenses that are putting people into financial ruin are pass-through costs primarily related to government mandates. The cost of the care itself is cheap, the overhead created by legislation, the regulations in Title 42 of the Code of Federal Regulations, the ridiculous malpractice laws and inflation created by artificial caps on new medical professionals (real example, the AMA blocked my alma mater, UCF, from offering more than 40 slots in its new medical school, there were hundreds of applicants).

All of those people financially ruined are a direct casualty of government trying to subsidize care for the elderly and poor and trying to regulate it.

Crack open an accounting book once in a while, you'll avoid making a fool of yourself in public.

about the pending health care bill


That monster health care bill (over a foot high) sitting in a Senate committee was to be available on a Friday with any proposed amendments to be due on Monday! As Lindsey Graham and others on the sane side have noted, that is no way to get bipartisan consensus, much less have our elected officials even comprehend what they are foisting on us.

There is something VERY suspicious about the routine shotgun nature modus operandi of what the ObaMessiah has been doing... even some liberals like Tom Harkin openly worry that the cure may be worse than the disease, i.e., we might simply add MORE cost and red tape without doing anything really to provide better health care.

When the late Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis metaphorically stated, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant,” he was referring to the development of public policies... how about a little "sunlight" in our policy-making and law making?!

I just saw a poll that 80% of Americans believe that the guvment should divest its interests in GM (Guvment Motors) and Chrysler ASAP... I don't think that is really what the ObaMessiah has in mind... it is easier to bleed the taxpayer for payback to the UAW as long as the guvment is directly involved.

Gallup also says that 40% of Americans identify themselves as conservative while only 21% call themselves liberal... since the ObaMessiah was THE MOST LIBERAL senator, it supports my theory that in voting for "change" many simply saw Amnesty John as more of the same neoCON (stay in Iraq forever), open border, clueless on the economy.

The election was NOT a mandate for big guvment, but instead a repudiation of what Dubya AND Congress generally had come to represent (graft, ineptitude, waste).

Here is my letter to Dr. NO,

Senator Coburn from Okla.

Dr. Coburn,

If citizens and the Congress insist that there be a single-payer health plan, here is an idea that should be looked at. This is page one, of a 5,000 page document, but it must start somewhere.

I’ve talked to several doctors and pharmacists and to economists, PhDs and others, and they all think it sounds great.

Health care would be free to all, except all would pay taxes and a co-pay, rather than for health care insurance.

The way to reduce Health Care costs is simple. Just eliminate all insurance companies, their buildings, computers, and employees, and get rid of all Government health care employees. That would also eliminate the people in each and every doctor’s office and hospital, who spend their day filling out insurance forms.

I understand that there is a list of the procedures and the cost of each, for various parts of the Country.

Give every qualified doctor, hospital, and pharmacy a blank checkbook so they could write a check each evening for all the services they had provided that day.

Find the right line on every income tax form, multiply that number by a percentage that would equal the total cost of health care. Based on that number, issue a card that would tell the co-pay (a progressive number, based on income). No one would get in for free, with maybe at least a dollar for those who can prove they had little or no income.

Just hire a bunch of auditors to randomly check and made sure they aren’t stealing any more than is being stolen today. And on and on.

And I bet the cost would be cut in half.

Health costs in this country are so high because these days, a $5,000 funeral, is delayed by a much more expensive medical procedure.

Those costs could be reduced if the doctor was not permitted to use a medical procedure, or prescribe a pill that the patient can not pronounce.

Other Countries Sastified???
Leftist keep claiming the Euroupeans/Canadian are sastified with their health care?? What do you expect... if all you have is crap your entire life, you dont know any different.

The Canadian Supreme Court Even says there are long waits.

2005.....The Canadian Supreme Court last month struck down a prohibition in Quebec province on private health insurance, citing the existence of lengthy WAITING lists for services under the country's publicly funded nationalized health service.As the Canadian Supreme Court said upon ruling a ban on private health care as unconstitutional, "access to a waiting list is not access to health care."

>>>

Want to reduce costs to insurance ... very easy as a start:

1) Cap Pain and Suffering claims on malpractice suits.

2) Make it so loser pays, with judges Discretion to waive.

3) Remove all these freaking mandates; that allows companies to provide bare bone coverage.

4) Give Individuals tax breaks for insurance, not just companies.

Thats a simple start, and wont cost us 1 Trillion dollars for 1/3 of the 'uninsured'.


Derail the Health Care Express? YES
I’m certainly for taking responsibility for my own health and believe in the choice of healthcare versus the government mandated, ram it down your throat kind but some major changes are needed. For one, pharmaceutical companies need to be reigned-in big time in the way they peddle their poisons and gouge the public. Next, the freeloading deadwood insurance sector with questionable value-added contributions needs to be eliminated or at least shrunk to a reasonable level. We must also find a better process/mechanism that tamps down the greed from the medical establishment and the spiraling costs (other than the insurance quagmire). The medicos need to spend at least 50% of their efforts on prevention and not primarily in treating symptoms with the poisons of their buddies in the pharma industry. The process must be simplified so these rip-off artists don’t find 101 ways to gouge you and everyone knows up-front what they are getting into. In my opinion, the biggest problem is greed followed by a confusing (purposeful?) process. Doctors, like lawyers need to be taken down a peg or two; they are not, repeat NOT, the demigods they make themselves out to be and the dupes who believe it!

everyone lives until they die.

Balanced_mind Location: TX
Reply # 2
Date: Jun 17, 2009 - 12:14 PM EST

1) Cap Pain and Suffering claims on malpractice suits.
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Wrong, eliminate all malpractice suits against doctors.

The patient must buy his own malpractice insurance, any amount he wants, for any procedure he wants.

No lawyers admitted in any case.

If the Dr makes a mistake, so what, you are most likely there because you made a mistake.

If the doctor does something really wrong, that’s a crime and the Gov’t will take care of him.

You knew when you were born that you would become sick and need a doctor sometime.

80 years ago, no one cared what a doctor charged, and no one was controlling him. He charged what he wanted to charge, and everyone lived until they died.

Today they spend billions on insurance, and medical nonsense, and everyone lives until they die.


The horse is dead he can't get up
Should Citizens Derail the Health Care Express? "YES"

Very simple. You want it and can pay for it, Buy it.

You don't have it and your family won't help you. You have to go with out it.

We are grown up adults, Passing money through the government taxes buying power. Why does Congres and the House have such good coverage? Because we pay for it. Enough Said.
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